Interviewing with Someone Who is Much Younger
By Janice Bryant Howroyd, Founder and CEO of The Act•1 Group
In my role as CEO, I continue to be a key sales executive for my organization. One of the things that I have noticed over the last couple of years is that the people I’m meeting with, who are making significant financial and procurement decisions for their organizations, are getting younger and younger.
Some of my friends speak of how intimidated they feel when interviewing with managers who are 20 years younger than they are and in this economy, more and more of us are working longer than we originally thought we would. So, how does one manage the interaction and interviewing processes today?
Take account of all of your winning strengths
Please note that I did not say “all of your strengths” — rather, ”all of your winning strengths.” The things that make you a great person, or that made you a great employee in the past, aren’t necessarily the things that are going to win you the job you’re interviewing for now. That is something that is very hard for most of us to understand … or to fully embrace. What types of things am I talking about here?
When you are interviewing, it’s fine for you to teach, but disastrous for you to preach! Before you laugh or disclaim this as your inclination, consider if you are prone to be just a little sensitive to the whole question of whether your age is an issue in your career.
Often times, older candidates will talk down to the interviewer, if they think they are bringing more experience than their possible new boss or if they think the interviewer is disengaged in really getting to know who they are. As hard as this may be to swallow, get accustomed to stating your information succintly, and then giving the more broad conversation in follow through. I call this: Tell-Ask-Talk.
In Tell-Ask-Talk, the interviewee tells the interviewer concisely what they need to know or responds directly to what they’ve been asked followed with a question.. Once the interviewer has answered the question, the interviewee can then engage in conversation, gaining better understanding and comfort, while expressing thoughts in the context they feel best demonstrates their strengths or positions. Taking into context the interviewer’s response to your question, you are now talking about something your interviewer is really interested in.
An example:
Interviewer: Tell me about yourself.
Interviewee: As my resume shows, I’m an executive secretary with 22 years of experience and have very strong word-processing skills and a high work ethic. Do you think my ability to organize records and facilitate meetings will have a value to this position, as well?
Interviewer: Your ability to organize records will be critical, but our facilities group handles meeting requests. What we need in this department is someone who knows how to create spreadsheets and manage our sales logs when the month ends. Have you done any of that?
When an older worker understands how to interview in this manner, it allows the younger hiring manager to articulate important points of the job, and both parties maintain respect and have an opportunity to explore the important stuff. Actually, I support Tell-Ask-Talk as a good interview technique regardless of the age of the interviewer … but I know first-hand that it works well with young adults as interviewers.
Show respect to your interviewer’s position, regardless of age.
This may seem, at first read, like rather simplified information. Understand that many younger managers and interviewing executives don’t process ideas and information in the manner that older workers do. The younger professional has grown up in a culture of fast eye/brain coordination and many think in shorthand. This does not mean that they are being disrespectful to you or missing important points you’re trying to make. It simply means that they digest information faster and work in a culture that is much more attuned to your young adult children than to you.
So, what to do? Understand that getting the job is your No. 1 goal. Once you have the job, you can let your knowledge shine and bring invaluable service to your employer; but don’t believe that the young whippersnapper sitting behind the big desk is just waiting for you to come on board and be their mother or father. Work is where most professionals enjoy shining and no matter how wet behind the ears you may think that young person is, they are credentialed between those ears.
Use your interview as an opportunity to learn about the culture of the organization
One of the most wonderful things about the younger interviewers and professionals is that they are not afraid of question or questioning minds. They embrace inquisitiveness and see it as part of a creative and constructive process. Use your interview to learn more about the company than you knew walking in. Find out if the person interviewing you is the one-of-a-kind wonder in the organization or one of many others like themselves. If you’re joining a company with many young managers, you are going to need to embrace the youth management culture and adapt to that organization’s style. During the interview, ask about this with excitement and show your genuine desire to be a part of it. The young interviewer may be just as afraid to hire an “old fogey” into a fast-paced culture as you may be to take instructions and be decided upon by someone who could be your own kid.
Know all you can about the organization – and the interviewer – before going in
This is the age of full diversity in the workplace. Diversity is not just race and gender. It’s age and culture, too. To stay vital as an employee, it doesn’t matter whether you are the legal assistant or the lawyer … you must show that your brain and passion have not slowed down.
Young adults don’t just use the Internet as a shopping mall or election center. They use it as a second brain — as an information center. If you don’t already live there, move there! Or, at least visit occasionally. Go online and learn all you can about the company before you interview.
Your interview with the young professional (or any professional) should not be the place you try to learn information that is readily available. Questions of this nature show you up as disconnected and uninformed. Your questions during your interview should personalize your fit to the organization, not teach you what they do.
If you are interviewing through the help of an employment agency, ask your agency representative/counselor to provide you with as much information about the company and the people with whom you will interview with and work. This way, you can relax on the hard criteria and go into the interview and sell yourself.
Go into the interview dressed for the job
Many companies have adopted a more relaxed dress code than in the past. This does not mean unprofessional … but organizations today allow much more freedom of expression than before — so long as company culture and safety are not impeded.
Check before you go on that interview to learn how you are expected to dress. A reputable employment agency will automatically inform you of existing dress codes, but make it your responsibility to know and go dressed for the job. Many young organizations and younger professionals have their own codes for what business dress is, but do not believe that this means slacking. Pearls, pumps or ties and navy suits may not be required, but Birkenstocks or Crocs may not be the winning dress, either.
Regardless of whether you get the dress thing right on point, know that young interviewers want the same thing and result that any interviewer wants: your honest expression of how you will perform in job. Your resume and your references are going to speak a lot about who you are, but your half hour to an hour in front of that young man or woman is just as valuable to them as it is to you. Enjoy the visit, listen well and don’t imitate speech or behavior that is not natural to you. It will not authenticate your conversation, and may make you appear mocking or pathetically out of touch.
Respect that your young interviewer is in that job because they’ve earned it
Trust them to listen to you with respect and remember that you would not be in that interview if the organization did not believe that you passed the first consideration for your ability to bring value. Many young hiring managers are far more tolerant and engaging of older workers than more traditional workplaces are of young professionals.
Regardless of whether you feel you’re connecting well, mid-way of your interview ask how you’re doing. Young adults are accustomed to checking status and progress. Don’t be afraid of an honest answer. This will allow you to continue in the right direction or to make adjustments and save your interview.
No matter how you believe your interview has gone, once you’ve completed it, do the old fashioned thing: Express your thanks and follow up with a written thank you to everyone you met. Ask during the interview (or ask your employment agency representative) if a written note or e-mail is better. Some young professionals would appreciate the personal touch of a handwritten thank you that is personal to them, while others live in e-mail. “Thank you” reads the same either way: It is professional, kind and indicates a continuing and genuine interest and shows the young professional you appreciate their time and interest.
Janice Bryant Howroyd is the Founder and CEO of The Act•1 Group, a global staffing provider and a Women Minority Owned Business Enterprise (WMBE) company. The Act•1 group provides Workforce Solutions under the Agile•1 brand, an impressive array of business services solutions, and staffing under its premier employment service, AppleOne.
For over 45 years, AppleOne has been creating Temporary and Direct Hire career results for millions of job seekers through placement, resume assistance and career and interview coaching–all at no cost to the candidate. Included in its family of brands are AppleOne Employment (Administration and Support) At-tech (IT and Engineering), Accounting Advantage (Accounting), and All’s Well (Healthcare).

May 18th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Your article is well-written and advice sound, but sadly despite the advice, the research indicates that there is a lopsided deficit in hiring of older employees. Wish EEOC could go back to actually doing its’ watchdog job. Maybe older employees just need to stop buying othe products of the companies that won’t hire them.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I have been in an active job search for over 6 months and the reality is that a 30 to 35 year old manager is not going to hire someone 10 to 15 years their senior, despite the candidate’s prior sales accomplishments and experience.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:18 am
I agree with the others’ statements. I too, have been trying to get a job since Nov. 08 and find my age is the drawback to employers. Of course, they are not going to tell you that because of the EEOC. I’m 54 yrs. old and feel very discriminated against.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Greetings,
I would like to point out a couple of things I have thought might be useful.
I have worked in the states and in Mexico off and on and have observed a definite un-interest in workers that can bring experience to teach the younger generations. So consequently the said industries fall again and again to the same mistakes, although their advisers would have them believe that their loss is not significant.. think again don’t be lazy and count the losses and you’ll see why you have become non competitive with others, that should not be winning but are.
Maybe you should have respected your elders, you know they could have taken on the load of their insurance if you’d asked nicely.. But anyway we’ll all be eventually on a level playing field and then we’ll see won’t we?
Sorry to sound strict but some situations need it.
G’Luck All
June 24th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I also feel very discriminated against. I have been looking for a full time job since March and am 60 yrs. old. I have only had 2 different jobs in the last 17 years. When filling out applications that just require jobs from the last 10 years, this automatically puts you as an “older” person and almost immediately disqualifies me for interviews. Everyone says go back to school and switch careers. At 60 if I go back to school, even for an associates degree, that puts me at 62. You spend thousands of dollars for a degree and then the jobs out there don’t pay even enough to recoup that amount of the remaining years that I’ll be working, which probably will be forever in this economy.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:42 am
I have been looking for work since November 2008. I’m 61, soon to be 62. I can definitely feel age discrimination. I’ve even been asked by one young interviewer how soon I plan to retire during the interview. I know this is against EEOC rules but I don’t think there is any way to fight it.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:57 am
I have experienced the same things as the others. If I hear, “We find you over qualified for the position” one more time….
Even before the downturn in the economy, I noticed how very tight the qualifications are for even the most basic of sales positions. It used to be that you hired someone for their skills and experience. Nowadays, they hire you for your book of business you bring with you. I thought that this was considered unethical behavior.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:59 am
I have tried my best not to feel discriminated against in my job search over the last 18 months. I am a youthful 55 years old and no one believes my age. However, with the experience I bring, my previous salary was high. Although I’ve addressed this and am willing to make less money, I think I have been discriminated against because of it. I’ve been told two times that I was the best candidate but in the end another candidate was picked. My agent told me that she can only guess that the salary made a difference.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:08 am
I was beginning to think I was the only person feeling age discrimination. I will be 65 soon but my brain nor body is dead. There are still many things I can contribute to an employer including loyalty, experience, timeliness, good health (Not calling off work for illness or the illness of a child). I understand these young executives have earned their position, but I also understand the immense experience an older worker can contribute. My parents both worked well into their 70′s and I expect to have to do the same IF I CAN GET HIRED!!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:09 am
What a misguided, albeit well-meaning, article.
After 5 years in the staffing industry, I can assure you that most companies do nothing to ensure workforce “diversity” by age group. They do not track worker populations by age, nor do they reinforce with their hiring managers the organizational benefits of age diversity.
What other group of jobseekers would be told that it is their responsibility to overcome the prejudices of hiring managers against them? Will we see future articles advising minority candidates how to handle white interviewers? The sad fact is that age discrimination in hiring is very much a reality in twenty-first century America, and that it is as unforgivable and unacceptable as any other form of discrimination. When younger hiring managers get the message that age diversity is every bit as important to their firms as racial and gender diversity, then articles such as the above will be superfluous. Until that day, such articles remain unhelpful, presumptuous and unintentionally insulting.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:12 am
I agree with many of the other comments. I had my own interior design business for over 15 years and move to another state. I knew it would be a challange to start building another business here, it takes time and I need income. I am 55 years old and also don’t look my age but I am over qualified for many of the positions I have applied for because that is what is out there and also they only want to pay you 9 to 12 an hour. How is one to live on that when they are a single income home. I think the older generation is in trouble. Young unqualified people are being hired because they work for less and in the end over time it damages many companies.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Bottom line: there is no younger manager who will hire someone with more experience and education than themselves. The fear is that they may be hiring their own replacement. Experience is not worth what it used to be, I’ve found the best practice is to leave it out of resumes.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:22 am
At 62, I know I have been the victim of age discrimination. I entered public school teaching as my 3rd career (after a successful military career, followed by 16 years in sales) and after 2 years was fired even with satisfactory yearly evaluations. Two much younger teachers who were hired the same year as I were retained. One young lady has an undergraduate degree and certification; the other, a young man with close community connections, graduated from college the year he was hired, has one undergrad degree and NO certification. I have an undergraduate degree and two graduate degrees plus certification, and experience at the college level, yet when budget cuts forced teacher layoffs, I went and they stayed.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:24 am
I have experienced most of what has been said here. Like Ray R I am 61 going on 62. Recently I was applying for a position online that I was a perfect fit for. Then the questionnaire asked for education and date of graduation was a required answer! That has to be discriminatory. I canceled the app and sent an email with my resume instead. Not optimistic but will pursue anyway.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Two years ago I retired t 68. No sooner had I done this when the stock market and economy tanked along with my investments. So I decided I had to go back into the workforce. After many resumes, call backs and in person interviews, I am still “retired”. Age discrimination is alive and well. Also I do not want a full time position nor an executive one (I was a Vice Pres.) Isn’t it funny how we become superfluous in a blink of an eye!?
June 24th, 2009 at 8:34 am
We create our own reality.
If we think that others discriminate against us, then that IS the world we live in.
But if we think that others appreciate us, that also becomes our reality.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:52 am
I was laid off several months back (on my 55th birthday) from a major hotel company. My position was eliminated, but when I was told this upper management openly discussed which 22 year old intern would perform my job. The company openly says they want younger workers. We were also threatened with no severance if we took any action concerning the ‘job elimination’. Two different recruiters have told me to take some of my experience off my resume or run the risk of never even getting an interview.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Hi, I thought your article was very accurate. I too have felt discriminated because of my age and when the interviewer is younger than myself I freeze up and think their goes my chance. This article has helped me realize that my own mindset was hurting me. I am not the interviewer’s mother, she doe not have my credentials or experience. My age is an honor, a gift so to speak. If I can see and believe it, then the right company will see and believe it too. I must have faith in who I am. I must show courage and be bold. My wisdom is valuable and adaptable. Thank you! I will laugh at the mispreception, for I am a unique individual and so are they! I hope my blog will help others to find courage (not excuses) to transend the difficulties they face. It is hard out there for everbody. You have the edge. Do not let your own or others “perceptions” under mind you!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Noticed this piece was written by someone from Apple One Employment Service. I went through the online application process for their temp service. They then set a date for me to come to the office and talk to them. The day of the interview, someone from their office called me up and said they decided they could not help me and not to bother coming in. My application had been in their system for weeks, and they day of the meeting, they, all of a sudden decide to cancel the meeting? This is no way to run an agency, and I would not recommend anything connected with this agency, as they do not seem to have the attitude one should expect from a temp agency, and the lacking element here would be Professionalism.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I am 54 and am highly skilled. I was waiting to be interviewed (wearing business dress) for a position that perfectly matched my background. However, I knew I was in trouble as I watched the other staff (all in their 20′s) coming and going in very casual attire and heard a young women nearby roll her eyes and say “very grandma,” to her coworker’s comment that I was waiting to be interviewed. Needless to say my interview with the 30-something Director was quick and did not go well.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:27 am
After reading all of the comments concerning this article, I believe what Wolfgang has to say. If you believe strongly in yourself, that will shine through anywhere. If employers are discriminating, then I don’t want to work for them anyway.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Yes, age discrimination is real, not just a reflection of what we project. Prejudice and discrimination exist in every aspect of human interaction, so get over it. Our challenge is to find ways to beat it, and our wisdom and experience should serve us well in this contest against the upstarts.
Maintain some good humor: remember what Ronald Reagan said to his opponent about not wanting to make an issue of his youth.
If your resume could say, “30 plus years’ experience…” make it “20 plus.” That’s not a lie, it is a matter of keeping your cards close to your vest.
Yes, you have to delete early jobs from you resume, even if they provided the particular experience that is directly relevant to the position you are applying for. That is where the cover letter comes in. You detail the experience and results achieved without naming the company or time period. Again, you didn’t lie.
And how about proving that you can out-perform expectations by landing a temporary assignment? I have been without a permanent job since August ’08, but I have had a paycheck since mid-February because I offered to work on contract. As a result, I expect either an indefinite extension or a permanent position when the current contract expires. I got my foot in the door, and now the company understands the value I provide.
Surely we are smart enough to beat the youngsters at this game.
Good hunting!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:00 am
WOW! November was a rough month – mine hit on Election Day! I have had e-mail, computer and telephone interviews. I want to congratulate those who have actually seen a person for an interview. I have only had one: 15 minutes; I know it was a “look” interview. I lied. I did have one other; the interviewer was openly surprised that my age was her age. My resume only has the past 10 years experience.
I just turned 59. I don’t think I look it. Jack of all trades, master of most. Being a business generalist has served me well for many years.
This is a specialized world. I immediately took a course, acquired a state license. I don’t have the experience those employers want; I’m still looking and will keep up with the CEUs. I also pulled a part of my generalist career and have worked to make it a specialty.
Here’s the really dicey part: I spent years running the busineses of other people. I must know how it’s done. I’ve started my own. Incorporation; D.B.A.; professional brochure. I’m marketing myself. Yes, I am still looking for “a job” as I do need to support myself. But I have a great deal more faith in myself than the potential employers.
After reading all of your comments you have made a decision for me – I’m going on Facebook. Thanks for listening.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:02 am
I’ve already read similar articles to this in the past…It’s well-meaning advice to older jobseekers, but useless nonetheless. I’ve tried this humility-based approach (while also displaying a modocum of self-confidence) with younger interviewers. I’ve trimmed back both my levels/years of experience and my education. All of this in order not to appear overtly over-qualified. It does not work. Contrary to the implications of the article which states that you (the interviewee) are intimidated, it’s the younger interviewer that’s intimidated. And as a minority job-seeker (per Bob S. #10), when the interviewer is both young AND white, the superflousness of this type of article is even more substantially “…unhelpful, presumptious, and unintentially insulting”.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I agree with the comments listed above in regard to age discrimination and younger hiring managers. I have a Master’s degree and work experience in management, legal, and healthcare. I am told I am overqualified, yada yada. I’ve also worked in HR. What I suspect is companies are fulfilling their legal responsibilites to post jobs yet are hiring/promoting solely from within. Hiring managers do not analyze my resume. If they did they would find with each level of educational attainment I advanced to another job. I’ve also moved from one state to another that required me to take another jobs. For this I am penalized for gaps, or job jumping. In MI I had great luck with temp agenices. In FL they will not even respond. Office Team is the worst! I have stellar credentials. Older workers are much more dependable but young hiring managers are too threatened to hire us. A big loss to their companies!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I was “laid-off” from my previous employment as purchasing and logistics manager and replaced by a much younger employee. I’m 56 y/o, I’m very efficient and have always been an honest hard working individual. There was nothing I could do about it! I’ve been looking for a job for one year now and even though I know that the economy is going through tough times, I know that I’m being discriminated because of my age and still there is nothing I can do about it! There are laws in this country but sometimes there is no way to enforce them! I even went to the civil rights office in my county and they said that there was not much they could do!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:49 am
The article gives good advice and helps create an opportunity for those lucky enough to encounter a receptive HR department or interviewer.
My experience reveals the odds of finding open-mindedness narrow in direct proportion to a candidate’s age. Lacking a fair shot at an opportunity–isn’t that discrimination?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:57 am
After reading so many of the comments and responses to Ms. Howroyd’s article, I almost feel relief. I thought I was the only one going through this. I just kept thinking it’s the ecomony, blah, blah, blah.
At age 54 and with excellent qualifications and experience, I am going through what everyone else is.
Recently, the national news had a piece on employers who preferred hiring older workers just because of the strenghts and experience. I wonder who wrote that, Andy Rooney?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Many great comments from people like myself going through the same issue. The fact is that it has become intensely more difficult for those over 40 to find a job or enter a new career. Although I appreciate what Wolfgang is saying in his comment; it is not the reality for most people as we have seen by the comments!
My question to Wolfgang is have you been laid off from a job in the last 2 years and are you over 50?
It amazes me how little companies are willing to pay and how much they expect the employee to do.
In the meantime I have decided to volunteer for a historical society and am enjoying the experience. There needs to be a positive change in attitudes towards people, we seem to have lost values as we ramp up technology.
All the best to all!
June 24th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I too agree with most of the others’ comments. I’m 49 and have been laid off since Dec 2007. I have absolutely no doubt that my resume is being passed over due to (1) my age which is apparent from my listed experience; and (2) over qualification; and (3) these companies obviously are hiring youngster right out of school who they assume will accept lower salaries. Whatever happened to “experience” being of value to a company? I’m more professional, have a better work ethic and expect a decent salary for what I bring to the table. Many of these youngsters aren’t so anxious to accept anything less than their perfect job scenario and unfortunately, adult workers many times are compelled to accept much less than they are worth simply because they have house payments, children to support, etc. Its very sad that the so-called equal opportunity employers aren’t practicing what they are preaching.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Additionally, what Diane Burrows mentioned in her comments above are true as well about the Michigan temp agencies versus Florida. These agencies in FL just throw ads in the papers and online to get more candidates and generally do not have actual interviews to sent you on. Another thing I’m very uncomfortable with is having to apply online where too much personal information is required before you are able to submit your application – especially when you may be responding to “blind ads”. I’m just waiting to find out that somewhere along the line my good credit and identity has been stolen.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
When the economy is allowed to be based on the failure of “usuary” credit interests rates, then the economy will automatically shed workers about every 10 years(Ref. Depository Institutions Deregulation & Monetary Control Act, 1980). When the government is no longer under God, then court precedent and special interests become the constitution instead. It has become the social norm and is why you are or will be encouraged to retire.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Reading through the diverse comments here only confirms what I’ve been suspecting for some time now. As a former and current retail business owner with extensive previous medical administrative background, I find even in my late 40s there is immense discrimination going on based strictly on age and appearance. Younger interviewers, although I’m sure not intentionally, seem to smirk when I have to take out my bifocals to read or see something they are showing or telling me, I often notice the roving eyes on the choice of clothing I’m wearing for the interview, and more often than not, I am asked questions that infer my age without direct questions about my exact year; do you have grown children or grandchildren? Is your husband retired? Do you travel extensively with your spouse? I even had one interviewer asked me point blank if I had supplemental medical insurance yet? I knew to what company they were referring because of the age-related questions although my exact age or birthdate was never discussed. It’s not that I mind answering these questions but I do not feel they are relevant to my qualifications or to job performance (past or present) and should not affect my chances for being hired. I also see them posed in such a way as to not be illegal to ask but could hurt the interviewee for refusing to answer too. Maybe all interviews should be done electronically or by phone first and then meet the candidate selected for hire!! That would level the playing field completely!!
My husband and I recently relocated back to our Florida home from Wyoming where we have a second home. I’m looking for part-time work now to fill the gaps in our income now that my husband’s freelance work has diminished some because of layoffs within the companies he does work for. We own another small home-based business that is also struggling because of the economy. I’m not asking for full-time, benefits or even promises of longevity. I’m looking for a position to supplement my current income. I’ve been turned down at many major retailers, big box stores, service centers, etc. stating “over-qualified” or “not suitable for the lower level position applying for.” What? Don’t these companies value extensive experience at all? Do they honestly believe that being over-qualified equates to “does not need to work?” At this point, I wonder if I offered to work for free if I would still be turned down for these ridiculous reasons?
It’s bad enough to meet face-to-face with a 20-something manager and have them immediately judge and treat you like their mother or older aunt but then to be told “we don’t want experienced” is insulting to boot.
I’ve been at this for nearly 3 months now and although I felt the majority of my interviews went very well at the time, the call-backs have been very few and far between and no offers as of yet. Each time I’ve been passed over, I’ve wondered if a much younger person was hired instead of me simply because of age?? Did they dress hipper? Did they have the “perfect” look the company wanted?? A few of them never bothered to let me know anything at all? What does that say about the company, the interviewer or the whole interviewing process??
I know my references should and certainly do play a major role in my credibility. My references report back to me regularly that this company or that company called for a reference on me, the report was glowing, gleaning or whatever and the interviewer was pleasant with them. Considering this is done pre-interview, how can age not be a determining factor when the fit is perfect to request the interview to start with, the qualifications are there and the references are impeccable? If it gets to that stage, why should age be the deterring factor?? Isn’t what led them to ask for the interview what should be considered instead?
We live in a very judgmental and discriminatory world, especially as we age. I will keep plugging away at it…… there has to be someone at there who feels the same way many of us do and just want the best worker for their buck, not the prettiest, hippest, youngest or cheapest.
Good luck to you all!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
WOW! I can’t believe I’m not the only one that believes there is age discrimination. I was actually told by a manager from Kelly Services that it was my age (then 58 yrs old). I applied with at least 10 staffing agencies in San Diego and neither of them except Kelly Services found me work. I never heard from the other agencies. That was actually a waste of my time and very stressful. I stopped looking for jobs in the corporate environment. They are only looking for younger people. I too have a master’s degree and have many years of experience. I believe we have a better chance in finding a job with a small business. I was lucky, my CPA needed an assistant. The pay sucks but, I have a job. If you have a passion for something you enjoy doing, start your own business. Good Luck!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
You guys are great! Wish I could form a company with every one of you as partners. Your observations and report of treatment are spot on. At 63, I’ve been in my industry for over 42 years, running my own successful marketing firm (a C corp)for 23 years while also teaching full-time at an out-of-state university as a three-year visiting professor.
In fall 2008, my teaching was completed and I returned to my own state and by end of the year, my company’s clients had hunkered down. So, no income since end of 08.
Can’t continue teaching in my metro area because a PhD is an absolute must. (Try starting one of those at age 63.) Since January, I’ve filed more than 40 well-crafted job applications. I even have a “dumbed down” resume which leaves out dates, any jobs but my own company (which uses its initials rather than full name), and teaching experience. Absolutely no response.
Of my federal government applications for GS9 to GS12 positions, two have listed me as “highly qualified” and have been in the “select” group forwarded on for the Subject Matter Expert to review. Again, no response. Why? The federal resume form, which must be used, requires dates for graduation and jobs. I’m sure that is the reason.
We deserve better. Good luck to everyone!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Joe S. is sadly out of touch with reality. Companies may say what they like about thier policies regarding their hiring practices. They most certainly do discriminate by age. I have been out of work since Sept. 08 and have not been able to even get an interview. Many agencies have had positions I was more than qualified for, but I was told that they were looking for someone who would “fit in” better or that I was “over qualified”. I am fed up with people telling me they don’t disciminate because of age. Maybe that is the official company policy but the fact is the person reading the resumes does look at the age. The longer your history, the less likely you are to even get an interview, much less the job.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
THESE COMMENTS ACCURATELY MIRROR MY OWN EXPERIENCES DURING THE PAST TWO YEARS. BUT I AM FIGHTING BACK. THEY REINFORCE MY BELIEF THAT SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO RECAPTURE THE IMMENSE POOL OF TALENT AND ENERGY RESIDING IN THE ‘MATURE’ WORKFORCE. THE POINT IS — WE KNOW MORE AND ARE GENERALLY SUPERIOR EMPLOYEES.
CAN THE SPONSORS OF THIS LINK PROVIDE AN ONGOING FORUM — OR IS THERE A WEBSITE WHWERE WE CAN KEEP IN TOUCH? I AM FORMULATING A MAJOR RESPONSE THAT MAY SURPRISE. wHAT Sheila Wexler WISHES MAY BECOME A REALITY … IF WE POOL OUR RESOURCES.
I HAVE AN EXCELLENT PLAN TO DO THIS.BUT HOW CAN WE GET TOGETHER SO i CAN IMPLEMENT THIS AND PUT THOUSANDS BACK TO WORK?
June 24th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
So much for thinking that I was alone in feeling that employers were considering me “too qualified” to exist in the current workforce.
My on-line applications (many including on-line assessment tests) managed to get me to several interviews, all of which took place with folks much younger than myself.
When I presented myself for the interview, all of the enthusiasm they displayed while communicating with me on-line and on the telephone visibly disappeared, and the process was forced to a speedy conclusion.
I have requisite degrees, required experience in spades, I don’t have two heads, was dressed appropriately (I was an HR Director in a national firm years ago and I’ve conducted hundreds of employment interviews for others) so I’m certain that the only shock for them was my age (I DO have white hair.) And no, I’m not willing to dye it for public consumption, any more than I’d alter the date on my birth certificate…
“Over-qualified; we need a better fit; not ‘quite’ what we’re looking for” are just a few of the responses that I’ve received upon rejection. I recognize these comments as euphemisms for age, but like you folks, am unable to do much about it.
Maybe there’s still hope though; who knows? I read where the Japanese industries have realized the great loss of knowledge and expertise that came with their ‘quick-fix’ of encouraging the early retirement of their senior staff-members, and are actively luring them back to their old jobs as well-paid consultants to assist in keeping their businesses afloat.
It’d be a shame though, for another country to teach the U.S. how to effectively utilize our own system of free-enterprise.
Keep the faith, and good luck to you all!
June 24th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I agree that there is age discrimination, but I think a big part of the reason older workers are not getting hired is the economy. If enough jobs were there, we would be hired. However, young people are also having a difficult time finding jobs in the current economy. It’s a tough job market for everyone.
I do like Ms. Howorth’s Tell-Ask-Talk suggestion. I think that most of us older workers tend to talk more and listen less in interviews – and that may work to our disadvantage. I know I need to consciously try to listen more.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
As a 55 year man who has been looking for jobs for quite some time I can also attest to have been discriminated against based on age. Twice I have asked for my high school graduation date, over the phone. I tried to contact EEOC but they did not even respond. My sister is a compensation expert who has been on the job market quite a bit over the last few years. She sees clearly how clever the firms are in their age discrimination practices. I have even had age mentioned explicitly twice in a job interview situation. However, how could I prove it?
I have also sat through seminars where the law was explained to my (former) employer. It was clear that as well as explaining the law they were also explaining what you could get away with. I do not expect a crackdown.
I have decided to reduce the number of applications to posted job openings. In my experience these are usually intended for junior people. There are some organizations that value experience but they are hard to find.
Good luck to everyone.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I agree with everyone that there is discrimination based on age.
I not only am discriminated in hiring but if you are on a job and have a younger supervisor they can get you fired. I know because it happened to me.
I still keep trying.I am 55 but look 40.
I went to an agency in Wisconsin a year ago and they still have not found me anything. they wanted me to come in again because they said “we haven’t seen you in a year”! Did they think I grew ugly in a years time?
One of the employees also stated that people from the state I was born in are liars!
June 24th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
So no matter what a very few on this blog say, the Majority are all saying the same basic thing.
It is too bad, I didnt realize having 40 years in the Telecom. Industry was a bad thing to have on my resume’. Here in Eastern WA., its is very hard to get hired, even as a Contractor/Consultant in my field. I dont know how you did it, but when I was the young troop on board, I learned everything I could from the “older” troops, so I could benefit from their experience and wisdom. Now, the selfish, self-centered, self absorbed, etc., and well meaning, but not wise, are in charge of many company’s futures – a very scary thought! I dont know how it can be turned around, except that idea of all of us somehow banding together to form a type of co-operative, etc., to somehow get the word out to the higher-ups, that we are here, we need work, will exceed expectations, come in under-budget, and utilize our wisdom to get results, not lame excuses for failure that many youth think are ok to use today.
I am all for this prospect and can devote time (since I am unemployed), to help any way I can.
Let me know what I can do to help – lets move this forward, and maybe someone who is in the position to help will also be wise enough to see the tremendous advantage they would have to employ a large number of us!!
Not afraid of a challenge, been out of work since, ’06, on and off work as a contractor, but mostly out of that too since ’08.
Email me please, I want to help -
Dan Franco francodan@comcast.net
June 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Google NOWCC and log on to their web site (National Older Workers’ Career Center) – a non-profit organization that contracts/gets grants with a variety of businesses, including the government. There are regional offices across the USA and you MUST BE OVER 55 TO APPLY FOR A JOB! I was hired last year at age 67 and I love my job. Yes (of course) I make less than the government workers around me, but at least I have a job (and I know there are plenty of people in the world who make less than I do). Also, if you are hired by the NOWCC, they pay for your medical insurance.
I know how each one of you feel – I looked for a job for 8 years (!), got a paralegal certification (in addition to my college degrees), and still had no luck in the job market. So, tell me how to interview… (After I cleaned my resume of any age indicators my interview calls jumped from 1% to about 70% – still no job.)
June 24th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I agree with everyone in their comments that there is age discrimination. I’m 61 years old and have trying to get a job since 2004. I had interviews with the same company three times and by two different mamagers because they said I was a top candidate for their company. The manager said he would call me as soon as he got approval from upper management for the position. I called him every week for six weeks about the status of the job.
He kept delaying, saying I will call you when I get approval. He never called me about hiring me or why I did not get the position.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Wow! I cannot believe all these comments. I lost my job in 06. I went back to school to obtain a Master’s in Accounting. This was a feat in and of itself considering that my undergraduate degree was in Music. I worked hard and finished with a 3.8 GPA. I also have applied for many jobs with no luck. I am literally registered with 5 temp agencies. I am working a part-time job now, but need another part-time job so that I can keep a roof over my head. I have not been able to come across anything. So I continue to plug on, praying that the job that I am suppose to have will come along. I am only 49 but do know that age is of major importance in large companies. I could see it where I used to work. The people they were hiring were getting younger and younger.
As far as experience, it is hard for me to reduce because I only worked one place for 20+ years. So how do I reduce my resume? I get rid of the first job, people will be asking what I have been doing all my life. Oh well.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I agree with Jeff, age discrimination is alive and well and our challenge is to find ways to beat it..the days of doing your time and getting out are over. We have to “Get Over it”and beat them at their own game..remember we are the generation who thought “anyone over 30 should be shot”..and by the way Woodstock is having it’s 40th anniversary this year! YIKES.. Keep up the fight and think young, no matter how much it hurts!!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Wolfgang, #6–go somewhere else. You are delusional, and your response is inexcusably disrespectful to those of us who are dealing with the fact of age discrimination. If you are over the age of 12, you surely are aware of the youth culture that has been nurtured and fed for several decades now. There is very little respect for age in this country. I’ve been to many other countries where this is NOT the norm, and age is not only respected but revered, to the point that younger people lie and ADD years to their age.
Age discrimination is real, and extremely deleterious to those of us who need to work. If age discrimination isn’t real, why are people 40 and over classified as being under (so-called) protective status?
Ironically, I started noticing discrimination at age 40–protection my ***! I looked 30 and was very high energy, but age was apparent on paper because of my experience. At 55 today, I look 40, have more energy than many half my age, 34 years exp. in my field, and like all of us “seasoned” pros, judgment and acumen that no 25-30 yr old can possibly possess. I face the same challenge–magnified–as when 40. If I can get past the “paper” issue and actually get face time with an interviewer, I at least have a chance. But that is the hard part!
Imagine age discrimination in the reverse here (including the bias, derision, and lack of opportunity that goes with it)–I think there would be riots in the streets! The government really does need to do something REAL.
Now, on a positive note, I was recently interviewed by a much younger person, and the interview went extremely well, and I was the front candidate. Sadly, an internal transfer superseded me and I was not hired, but it did give me hope!
I did find this article helpful, and not just about age. I don’t know if I will be able to benefit from it, but I have to have hope.
To everyone who is dealing with this unfortunate reality of discrimination, I truly wish you a reversal of circumstances. Make yourself heard wherever/whenever appropriately possible!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
oops–the wolfgang comment is #16, not #6.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Mary E. #43,
Thanks for the tip – I will check this out. Here is hoping there is something there for all of us.
We all stand on the shoulders of even much harder working, humble, people, who had the vision enough to stick to the task at hand so that their children and theirs, etc., – us – could have it better than they. These are the Pioneers who came to this country from all over the world, looking for freedoms, religious, and others, and opportunities to make it on their own. Look at the legacy they left us!! It is incredible !! How do we get the dot.com generations, etc., to let us leave them with our legacy, so they can one day stand on our shoulders, look over all the greatness that is theirs, and wonder how they can help their kids have it better than they did…
We at our house, for as long as we can afford to keep it, will pray every day that especially all who took the time to contribute to this blog can have their hopes and prayers answered.
Best Regards, Dan F.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
and one more comment–the only thing on this site that has shocked me is that people are surprised about the existence of age discrimination. I first witnessed it in 1975, and it was being done by older staff to older staff, strictly for $$$ reasons. I was only 21, and was horrified that a business could operate that way. In the last 15 or so years, it is an elitist attitude that is deplorably fostered and fed by every medium. Ultimately, just about everything that is said about older workers being valued is a lie, and why do they even phrase it that way, if discrimination isn’t a problem?
The intelligence I see reflected in the above comments is astounding and impressive. THIS DISCRIMINATION IS SO WRONG ON EVERY LEVEL! And it DEFINITELY would not hold up if it were directed at the gay, any minority (including ILLEGALS), or the YOUNG!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Good article – but limited: far too general.
Because the older interviewee has just a brief time to both overcome age-obstacles AND sell themselves, they need to bring up how they were a HIGHLY-CONTRIBUTIVE INTEGRAL PART OF A PRODUCTIVE YOUNGER TEAM – and all team-members were extremely same-page cohesive (irrespective of age) with an excellent/top-rated reputation within the company.
In addition to relatively many work-place years, I also bring somewhat intimidating NFL defensive-end size to the interview – so, if you’re under 6’2″, I might make you ill at-ease …
I’ve been an IT consultant for 22 years.
Am I the best around?
Nope.
Do I have the most focused skills?
Huh-uh.
But like other vintage commenters, I have tremendous & valuable circumspect skills in IT and business.
And my IT & business skills are what I sell.
As an IT consultant, I passively look for IT work – and work it when it comes my way.
During three+ decades of IT, I’ve been entrepreneurially active – which has repeatedly saved my bacon when ITWorld so often leaves me high and dry.
My life-long encouragement to others has been, and is, to look beyond IT.
Like folks in other facets of business, you’re perhaps now learning hard lessons about the depth of concern Business World has for you as a person. You’re finding out first-hand that these are often cold and highly impersonal “business decisions”.
Now is probably a somewhat late, but perhaps still opportune, time to think and act beyond the typical IT/Corporate mentality.
You won’t help yourself by whining or seeking to continue your dependence on a corporate world that’s presently eroding.
The coffee is, by this time, quite heavy, black and motor-oilish.
I recommend you wake up soonest and smell it anyway …
Buck up – and best wishes, Kids.
June 25th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Ms. Bryant, correct me if I’m mistaken, I believe you will be turning about 57 yrs young this year. You’ve also held your line of work for quite some time now.
When is the last time that you actually interviewed for a job with a younger professional? While your write-up is not pejorative intentionally, in relation to your stable life situation, I do find it a bit of an oxymoron.
To commemorate, I’ve had similar situation when a placement agency found my resume on line. They contacted me and asked for a Word copy, so I sent it to them. Then they asked for a picture of myself because the employer required one with all resumes. So..I sent them one. Then I received an email from the agency rep stating that he felt the employer wanted more experience in their particular environment.
O. W.
June 25th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Great advice for a know-it-all like me. I have taught junior scientists lab bench skills for a decade or so. I need to learn to stop the damn lecturing and do the Tell-Ask-Talk thing at an interview.
Not that it will matter…I can’t get an interview. Besides the two I had in the last year…one was at the US Patent Office, telling me that I’d never be able to learn their database or keep up with the training. The other was at law firm telling me that they were using generalists for the thing I had specialized in learning (patents) but that I should look for some entirely different type of career. I had the sense both interviewers were trying to be ‘nice’ or at least thought they were by telling me to give up…both were my age and both had nothing close to my academic credentials or biotech industry experience. And I don’t feel all that decrepit — not a sick day ever in my entire working career.
Or all that stupid — being told I won’t be able to learn is especially discouraging because in 2008 I added a law degree (from Georgetown at night!) specializing in patents to my other two advanced degrees. Now I find myself ‘lucky’ to be working occasionally with no benefits at quite low paid contract law. I guess I should have stuck out my old job, not incurred the $120K in loans and just retired somewhat gracefully in 10 to 15 years. If I could have stood it.
June 25th, 2009 at 11:18 am
About 7 years ago when I was in my mid 40′s I hired as a direct report someone in his mid 50′s with more experience than I had, and who held more senior positions in the past. It was a great decision. I did not need to waste my time “managing” him. Guy new what to do without being told. When I went on vacation, I was not interrupted with calls. He could do my job, and did so when I was away.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Mine is the same story as most others here; 58 y/o with “trimmed” resume and searching since last Sept. I’ve submitted more than 260 on-line apps. and been on 14 interviews, all but 1 ending with no call backs. My last employer’s HR dept., during a sales meeting, made a presentation that focused on generational work ethics and productivity, and my generation scored the highest in ethics, loyalty and productivity. This info came from outside sources and gave me great hope when I needed to begin my job search, as I’m sure many other HR depts. are aware of the same. Being a good interviewer myself, I have represented myself very well and avoided the issues made in this article when I’m being interviewed. I am now disenchanted and realize that despite my generation’s reputation, hiring managers are still looking the other way.
June 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
There is no question that age discrimination exsists both in the workplace and in the hiring process.
Diversity is so important in the workplace as we all can learn from each other but what I have found is that younger employees are often very threatened (for a number of reasons) by an older, better educated and experienced employee. It is enteresting that in some of the companies, reverse discrimination is not discussed, but it exists and so does the sabotage that goes with this situation.
What is difficult, is psychologically dealing with this kind of discrimination after the position disappears because it is far easier for manangement to discharge a person than it is to address what is going on in the workplace.
Sadly, the workplace and hiring personel seem not to be interested in loyalty, ethics and dependibility, instead the employment enviroment is all about politics and here in
California, you’d better be bilingual.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I have advice for Simone, who had the problem of working at one company 20 years and how to hide his age. Show the progression of your last three internal positions (or covering the last 10 years) within that one company, as though they were separate jobs outside the company. Show the position title and responsibilities, and leave the “entry level” out of your resume with a “History available upon request” for any titles you held prior to the past 10 years. Show in each how you kept up with technology and changes within your field. If there are any certifications that are particularly desireable in your field, (for example, in Information Assurance field, a CISSP is highly desireable) sign up for those certification classes and mention that you are in process of obtaining them in your Certifications/Education area. That shows that you are in-tune with the latest technology and requirements. Also make sure that you have deleted technology that has not been used in years off your resume.
The fact that you have proven to continue being a valuable employee for a company for 20 years is a high point in my book! It shows adaptability, loyalty, and ingenuity, and keeping abreast of trends. Highlight that in your resume.
I hope this helps and I am praying and rooting for all of you.
August 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Funny that Jan Howroyd is giving advice on this topic…her group of companies is currently laying off people right and left and they don’t even extend the courtesy of providing their own employment service to help the former employees THEY displaced by ambushing them with a mass layoff with no prior notice…the Howroyd Group is a mis-managed joke and Jan Howroyd is so busy cultivating her minor celebrity she doesn’t have a clue as far as what’s going on in her own company. Guru? Not even close…if not for afirmative action and diversity, Jan Howroyd would be somebody’s secretary…